Episode 168: The Map Will Appear When the Car is in Motion - Featured Interview with Clay Scroggins - My Quest for the Best

Episode 168: The Map Will Appear When the Car is in Motion – Featured Interview with Clay Scroggins

Author, Pastor of North Point Community Church

Clay Scroggins talks with Bill Ringle on My Quest for the Best about the principles and pitfalls of how to lead when you’re not in charge.

Key points that you’ll learn from this interview:

  • The risk of leading by authority or title, even when you’re the CEO, manager, coach, or parent
  • How Clay defines influence and its relationship to leadership
  • The 4 behaviors that allow anyone to lead without authority.
  • The one characteristic to develop to help others see you as a leader.
  • How to become less defensive and more open to feedback.
  • The importance of uncovering someone’s true motivation because we’re not all motivated by the same incentives
  • The relevance of the GPS message that “the map will appear when the car is in motion.”
  • When you can have time to pursue your most important objectives, without interruptions from the phone, staff, or outsiders.

Interview Insights

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2:28 Clay explains why leadership and authority don’t always go hand in hand.

3:32 How an internship at the Georgia State House crafted Clay’s young understanding of leadership and decision making.

4:43 “When you believe that you have to be in charge in order to lead, that even when you are in charge and you try to leverage that authority to try to get people to move, it will work in the short term, but it does not work long term.”

5:09 The essence of leadership is influence. – “[Leadership is the ability to inspire people to move in order to accomplish something that they may not even realize that they want to accomplish.”

5:52 “Because leadership is influence, some people are born with more instinctual traits that give them influence.”

6:30 “What are my behaviors today that are gaining me influence? And what am I doing that’s costing influence?”

8:15 First of the four big behaviors to cultivate more influence.

8:41 “The easiest way to lead yourself is to ask others exactly where you are…You can’t get to where you wanna be unless you know exactly where you are.”

12:21 “There are things about yourself that everyone else knows, and that you probably know, but you have no clue that they are as aware as they actually are.”

14:20 Why influence is a commodity.

15:03 “Solicited feedback is always easier than unsolicited feedback.”

19:02 “What we have to [ask] as leaders, as managers, whether we’re in charge or not…is what is the incentive that’s causing them to work, what is motivating them?”

20:44 How to motivate people who are happy in their current position.

22:52  The big behaviors that cultivate influence.

23:52 “Every one of us has to bring value to what we’re working on.”

24:26 “The most dangerous enemy to not being in charge is passivity.”

26:48 How Clay rewards leadership behavior.

28:15 Why our greatest fear of taking leadership actions is fear of doing it wrong. – “The map will appear when the car is in motion.”

29:32 “A part of our role when we’re not in charge is to manage the anxiety of our boss.”

31:12 “Nothing so conclusively proves your ability to lead others as what you do on a day to day basis to lead yourself.”

32:13 Clay describes the steps he took in order to not only start, but finish the book.

33:11 Clay’s tips and tricks for staying productive and on task.

Expert Bio

Clay Scroggins is the lead pastor of North Point Community Church, providing visionary and directional leadership for all of the Alpharetta, Georgia church staff and congregation. As the original and largest campus of North Point Ministries, ranked numerous times by Outreach Magazine as the Largest Church in America, NPCC averages over 12,000 people in attendance. Working for Andy Stanley, Clay has worked his way through many organizational levels of North Point Ministries and knows all too well the difficulties of leading with influence and not authority. Clay holds a degree in Industrial Engineering from Georgia Tech as well as a Master’s degree and Doctorate with an emphasis in Online Church from Dallas Theological Seminary. He lives in Forsyth County, Georgia, with his wife, Jenny, and their five children.

For more information, visit Clay Scroggins’s Website.

Contact Info for Clay Scroggins

Web address: https://clayscroggins.com/

Travels from: Alpharetta, GA

Phone: (404) 751-7117

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