207: Charming Cheaters – Interview with Nicole Kelly, M.D
Nicole Kelly M.D., Physician and Author
Nicole Kelly M.D. and Bill Ringle discuss how common and dangerous it is to work with sociopaths, and yet how seldom we think it could happen to one of us.
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Top Take-Aways from this Interview
- Not everyone thinks like you do, to think otherwise is dangerous.
- The differences between a psychopath, a sociopath, and a sexopath.
- Just because someone is a jerk, it doesn’t mean that they’re a psychopath or a sociopath. Only a licensed medical professional can make that kind of diagnosis.
- How recognition of certain dangerous characteristics can help in the hiring process, and why it’s so important to document questionable behaviors in new employees.
- What the empathetic majority can do to better interact with those on the sociopathic spectrum.
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1:51 How Nicole’s high school drama teacher taught her to have confidence and find her voice.
2:59 “My favorite part of a medical practice is talking to the patience and talking to the families, and the business side never really interested me.
4:08 “It was actually after discovering her betrayal that I thought back on all the lies, all the misrepresentations she had given through the years that I started to realize that her brain does not function like everybody else’s.”
5:19 “So this nurse, who had embezzled all this money, was a sociopath.”
5:56 Some of the signs that Nicole picked up on over time, and what she did as a response. - “The numbers were the numbers.”
7:13 “Sociopaths believe that they are superior to everyone else.”
9:39 “One in 25 people are on the sociopath spectrum, which means that we run into them everyday, it means that they are in our companies working for us.”
10:21 “People who are on the sociopath spectrum which goes from sociopath to psychopath, manipulator to monster, these people are born with the genes to have no empathy, no conscience.”
11:00 “Although not universal, sociopaths have higher IQ’s and impulse control, or are better able to blend into society wearing a different mask for every group of people they interact with.”
11:11 “Sexopaths are my term for a sociopath or a psychopath with a sex addiction.”
12:16 “Just because someone is a jerk doesn’t mean that they’re a psychopath or a sociopath.”
13:53 “I’m hoping for the empathetic majority to understand there are people unlike us, all around us, and how we interact with them has to be different in order to change our world.”
16:06 People should show their best qualities, not tell about them.
17:02 Why character recommendations are so important in the hiring process.
18:34 “Sociopaths are attracted to positions of power.”
19:15 “In the effort to be polite we’re letting the sociopath take advantage of us.”
21:29 My Quest for the Best Lightning Round
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Nicole Kelly, M.D. is a board-certified physician in Nashville, TN who was victimized by a sociopath – who also turned out to be a sociopathic sex addict or sexopath – who embezzled over $700,000 from her medical practice. Using her ability to explain complicated medical concepts, Dr. Kelly makes clear one of the most important truths of our time: Not everyone thinks like you do—and to assume otherwise is dangerous.
For more about Nicole Kelly M.D., visit her website.